Reuniting the Children of Abraham i.e The Jews, the Christians and the Muslims. Wouldn't it be nice
Imagine a world in which the Children of Abraham were reunited. It would have to be a much nicer and safer place than what it is at the moment. All of the world’s problems would not be solved, but we would be well on the way.
Regrettably we have a long way to go before this will happen. It could happen; there is no doubt about it. Unfortunately we have too many misguided people in the world at the moment who seem to believe fighting is the complete answer to peace. Others seem to believe another solution is to alienate people and restrict their freedoms. To me there seems to be a lot of counter productive solutions to peace.
Here is an
example and this is from people who claim that their religion is one of love and they make claims such as these in regards to what a real Christian is:
"They truly follow the tenets of Jesus. Things like "love your neighbor", "pray for them that despise you and say all manner of evil against you", "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", "if someone slaps you on the left cheek, turn your right cheek to him, also" and "if someone takes your cloak, give to him your tunic, also". Those are Jesus' words, and that is a religion full of love for your fellow man."
Currently here at Vox (thanks to paikea for highlighting this and posting a very interesting article titled: Muslim True/False) there is a petition being promoted to put forward a proposed US Constitutional Amendment. This amendment would include that:
“The preaching of Islam in Mosques, Schools, and other venues is
prohibited. The subject of Islam
may be taught in a post high school academic
environment provided that instruction include discussion of Islam
’s history
of violence, conquest, and its ongoing war on democratic and other non-Islamic
values.”
Yes it does seem rather harsh.
The proposal also states:
“Whereas; the United States of America was founded on the ideals of individual rights, including the individual right to practice one’s religion of choice, or no religion, and that there would be no compulsion of religion, nor state sanctioned religion, nor a ‘religious test’ for participation in the body politic;
Whereas;
Islam includes a complete political and social
structure, encompassed by its religious law, Sharia, that supercedes any civil
law and that Islam
mandates that no secular or democratic
institutions are to be superior to Islamic law;”
From what I can gather about the United States the first paragraph is correct, unless you listen to some of the people from America’s Religious Right and then it seems they would dearly love to change this paragraph. We have all heard about the pillars of the 10 Commandments being set up in public areas on American soil and the big kerfufel that it has caused. If there is no state sanctioned religion, then there should not be the establishment of such a practice. But listen further to a statement from someone who stated they would sign this petition, but had doubts of its effectiveness due to the wording of the petition:
“I think a better possibility to enact an Amendment to the Constitution declaring America a nation with a Judeo-Christian heritage without establishing any particular Jewish sect (Orthodox, Conservative or ) or Christian Denomination (Variations of Protestantism, Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox etc.) as a State religion. This would simultaneously deal with Secular Humanism war on Christianity and radical Islam.”
Now I could be totally wrong, but this statement doesn’t exactly match up with the statement:
“Whereas; the United States of America was founded on the ideals of individual rights, including the individual right to practice one’s religion of choice, or no religion, and that there would be no compulsion of religion, nor state sanctioned religion, nor a ‘religious test’ for participation in the body politic”
Although the comment doesn’t say there should be an official state religion, it does indicate there is intent to restrict freedom of religion and non-religion. Let’s face it if it was possible, the Religious Right would declare the US a Christian nation in an instant if it had the power.
This brings me to the next paragraph I included above,
Whereas;
Islam includes a complete political and social
structure, encompassed by its religious law, Sharia, that supercedes any civil
law and that Islam
mandates that no secular or democratic
institutions are to be superior to Islamic law;”
This may or may not be the case in regards to Islam, however when it come to the Religious Right in the US, what sort of laws would we expect to see in the US. The answer is simple we would see strict laws based on their version of Christianity. To illustrate my point I only need to draw your attention to an article such as this, “God’s Choice for President”. So who would the Religious Right’s God choose to be the next US President, well naturally McCain and why would God do such a thing, only two factors come to mind apparently, the issue of abortion and gay rights – yes that is it, I kid you not! It seems God is not concerned about social justice issues, healthcare, poverty, the environment, racial harmony, equal rights and the endless list of things I thought were major concerns to a “Christian” God.
The Religious Right also seems to need to make up its mind. I have noticed that when it suits, Christianity is described as a religion of peace and then they will do a back flip and bash the more socially conscious Christians over the head with their Bibles and say, "Christianity is not a religion of peace, because Jesus didn’t come to bring peace," and they will then go on and quote the following Bible passage:
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39)
It is an interesting passage. I actually like this passage, for me it means
Jesus came here to shake the people up and get them thinking and get them out
of their selfish and corrupt ways. The church at the time needed a good kick in the pants. The people needed to start doing good work to help others and to become more loving and compassionate. That at least is partly the meaning of the passage if it is read in conjunction with the other messages Jesus conveyed throughout the NT. To me the sword
is not to be taken literally. However, I
have heard Christians use that “sword” to defend the right to carry a gun, go
to war, use violence, justify capital punishment, and a host of other violent acts.
It is interesting how Islam is always
portrayed as being spread by the sword, and yet here we have a quote in the
Christian Bible and it is Jesus who is carrying a sword. So it actually makes sense that when this passage is taken literally it has been used to spread the religion of Christianity throughout the world. At present Islam is conveniently portrayed by Christians as being spread by the sword, and by making that claim they are inferring that Christianity has always been spread peacefully - I guess by some gentle process of osmosis. But this is not true, the correct history of the world indicates otherwise. Christianity has been spread throughout the world by the sword, by the gun, by oppressive tactics and by an endless array of violent actions. In short, Christianity was spread by empire building throughout the world.
I can now refer back to this quote mentioned earlier,
“I think a better possibility to enact an Amendment to the Constitution declaring America a nation with a Judeo-Christian heritage ............. ..... ....... ......"
There is an obvious flaw in this statement, an obvious omission. Who were the people here before the Judeo-Christian heritage was forced upon them? Of course it was the Native Americans, who had their own heritage and their own beliefs systems. Were the Native Americans treated well by their Judeo-Christian conquerors? No, in the main history also proves this to be incorrect.
I am sure that if the Jews, the Moors, the
“witches” and the “sodomites” could have put together a petition outlawing
Christianity during the Spanish Inquisition they would have (So there is no
bias here are two references one a Jewish
perspective another a Catholic
perspective). I have heard modern
day Orthodox Jews speaking of Christianity with utter disdain, and if you watch
the video, “The Hidden Story of Jesus” which I have included below, you will actually witness how much
disdain they have for Christianity and the wrongs they feel Christianity has
done to them.
More from the proposal, “Whereas; Islam preaches that it and it alone is the true
religion”
Of course no other religion has EVER
proclaimed such an audacious statement has it.
I have been told many times that Christianity is the one true religion,
and not only the Religious Right makes that claim. In fact the scripture I quoted above from Matthew essentially says that Jesus is the ONLY way, and if you deviate away from Jesus then your life will be lost. They are powerful words, powerful enough to make parents scared that their children's lives will be lost if they deviate away from the path, and that kind of "terror" can make people do terrible things to other people if they believe another is leading their child astray. It explains why so many Christian parents are devastated to find out their child is gay, for they believe their child is forever forsaken.
I would say that the majority of people belonging to all religions will make similar claims in regards to their religion being the one true way. It stands to reason; otherwise they wouldn’t practice the religion. But it shouldn't mean we shouldn't be able to get along.
Now for me the past is the past. Terrible things have been done throughout history in the name of religion and also in the name of various political ideologies. I have only brought up the past because some seem to like to bring up the past as a weapon against various religions, and my point is to say that no religion has an innocent past. What matters to me is the present and the future, so I would love to move on.
This is my opinion for what it is worth. I believe the Muslims who are being violent and intolerant in the name of Islam are misguided, as were the Christians/Jews/Hindus and other belief systems of the past who were violent and as are the Christians/Jews/Hindus and other belief systems who are violent or intolerant in the present.
This now brings me to the title of this post and that is, "Reuniting the Children of Abraham". This documentary is an interesting look at how it is possible to cross the barriers which impede peace on a personal level. Petitions aimed at oppressing a whole people are not the answer to achieve peace in a country; projects such as these which aim to break down personal barriers to peace are the answer. It is difficult to wage war against a friend or some one you know and respect.
“Abraham, of the Old Testament, was the founding patriarch of a new, monotheistic faith, which included Jews and later Christians and Muslims. One of his two sons is historically tied to the founding of Judaism, the other to the founding of Islam.
The Children of Abraham Project, which is an effort by individuals and interfaith organizations in the Detroit Metro area, to educate Jews, Christians and Muslims as to their common ancestry, and encourages them to work together for tolerance, peace and civic betterment. The process involves watching a play in which teenage actors, some who helped write the play, act out scenes from the Biblical story. This is interspersed with contemporary accounts of religious and ethnic prejudice based on personal recollections. The play has allowed audiences to speak freely about their fears and prejudices and to walk in another's shoes.
The Project is a powerful experience that gives hope to the idea of these three religions being able to find their common heritage as a reason for mutual religious respect and spiritual healing in the future.”
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Another interesting documentary is The Hidden Story of Jesus. What really struck me about this documentary was by taking Jesus as an example; it was possible to see how much most of the religions have in common. I believe looking for what we have in common, instead of looking at our differences; will in fact help us to become more closely connected as a society, and more accepting of our differences.
This is not a documentary for Christians to
be afraid of, as I do not believe it would diminish your faith in anyway.
For me personally it actually enhanced my
faith in humanity.
Here are two interesting articles in regards to Islam in Australia:
Islam in Australia: a diverse society finds a new voice
**Please note since these articles were produced, the Australian Mufti is no longer Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly.
Comments
More from the proposal, “Whereas; Islam preaches that it and it alone is the true religion”
Of course no other religion has EVER proclaimed such an audacious statement has it.oh, totally, Chezz - hypocrisy at its best
personally, the passage you quoted about Jesus and the sword scares the crap out of me - precisely because it can be and, of course, has been and will continue to be read and interpreted literally
“Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.” -- Blaise Pascal
John
"Those who cannot remember their history are doomed to hear the rest of us bitch endlessly about it."
You have to take what you can get in this world :)
Yes there certainly is some truth to that quote. There is a very good reason why the quote has a large degree of truth and that is when they do something with religious conviction, there is little room for doubt in their mind.
I was reading your quote and I thought I knew what came next, as there is a similar quote about we are doomed to repeat history, and then I kept reading and it totally cracked me up. LOL
Thanks for the laugh.
Thanks for this enlightening post. If I may, as an American: This is far from a Judeo-Christian society. To me, Judeo-Christendom means implementing the teachings of Moses (peace be upon him) and Jesus (peace be upon him). We all are witnessing what goes on in the US and on a governmental level; I was taught that there is no official state religion. We Americans conveniently boast about how this country was founded on the principles of freedom, liberty, etc... When any objective researcher can see that it was founded on usurption, slavery, and war. I truly think that the neo-cons, as you have so eloquently stated, would love to restrict the teaching & practice of Islam in the US. Why? I really think that they want to instigate a war to feed their glory-hungry, conceited motives. Most Christian and Jewish friends that I meet don't buy into such propaganda. The issue of Islam being spread by the sword is a myth, as I have addressed in the past. I would ask those who disagree to go to Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country & ask them how Islam came to fore in their country. They will say it was through the trade of goods that those people learned about Islam. I will admit that some Muslim groups have abused the faith and waged illegitimate wars. However, I would also challenge people to bring one example of a war fought during the life of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him & his immaculate family) that was not fought in defense.
I live amongst people of all faiths and although I'm not Christian, I am objective enough to know that the "religious" Right are not very "religious" if they claim to follow Jesus. Religious people are not confrontational. Religious people are not racist. Religious people are thinkers, who have an open mind and do not act based on emotion, rather they act on the basis of peace and betterment for mankind. It seems that after the oppression waged on the Native Americans, then the African Americans, and so on... for a while my country was still held in high regard with people around the world. America held the banner of freedom and human rights. The last 8 years, this administration was destroyed that image. I've seen foreign news, even from Europe, that began to mock the US because we were discussing boycotting the opening ceremonies of the Olympics in Beijing because of China’s human rights abuses while the Bush administration has taken the lead in human rights abuses.
All I can say is that if the Neo-cons get the Presidency this time around, which they very well may get, we as Americans will lose whatever rights we have left. I hope I am wrong, but I can't see the government one day saying, "Ok guys! Guess what? We have no more threats. You are now safe. Here are your rights back. We will make it illegal to spy on you again, no more tapping your phones, no more illegal searches, no more profiling, no more internet spying."
Chezz, as always, thanks for the objective and thought-provoking posts. It's always a great read and it's much appreciated.
Pascal's quote comes from a time when
What recent actions will you point to that was done in the name of Christianity (outside of the Crusades answering 400 years of Muslim aggression, Inquisition 2000, witch hunts 18) that they have taken up the sword to be compared with Islam?
I haven't been very good at keeping up on reading with the 'hood, so I apologize.
This is an excellent post, Chezza! Here, here!
As someone who was educated in Catholic schools, I thank you for giving me a new perspective to think about regarding the verses from Matthew. It was used to scare the crap out of us.
This project is something I'm going to have to look into more, since I'm in the Detroit area. If for nothing else, it may help me to learn and understand more about the other faiths. Which, as you stated, is the key to any sort of real and lasting peace.
Very well said as always.
Uniter I want you to know if I was in America, I would be by your side and by the sides of every other person in your country who stands for real peace and justice for all, regardless of religion or no religion at all, regardless of race, colour, socio-economic background, sexual orientation and any other label that can be applied to a person.
My eyes have been opened beyond belief in absolute horror at the extent some American Christians are prepared to go in order to spread their message of hate. Yes to any of you who may read this, it is hate you are spreading. We over here in this end of Vox do know the difference between hate and love. You can dress it up any fancy way you may like, but it is still hate.
The latest news from the other camp is now they want to deport any Muslim who does not renounce their religion. Sounds very much like the Spanish Inquisition to me and what the Christians did to the Jews.
Uniter I am with you all the way, and I am not alone in supporting you and your fellow Muslims in peace.
Peace be with you.
Cheryl.
Gday Bob
I have had a similar argument on another post some time back. It was one of the most frustrating debates I have ever encountered. During it I lost my cool and I was not proud of the fact. I did apologise and that did fall on deaf ears. However, I learnt something of interest out of the encounter and once again I am confronted with the same issue.
It seems that when a Christian bombs an abortion clinic or kills a staff member, that doesn't count because they are not REAL Christians. It seems that if a gay man is bashed by a Christian due to his Christian beliefs, that doesn't count because he is not REAL Christian. Are you seeing a pattern here ...............
I don't know what all Christians believe when it comes to this issue but I shall give you my opinion for what it is worth. It seems that Christians never kill anybody and if they do they are not REAL Christians, so it doesn't count. If a Muslim Kills, well he is a REAL Muslim so it counts.
Christians since the time of Christianity have killed, but it doesn't count because apparently it was not done in the name of Christianity. Christians have killed off indigenous populations all over the world from Monday through to Saturday and then gone to church on Sunday, as if everything was fine with God.
Christians have owned, beaten, killed and raped slaves and then gone to church on Sunday. Not only did they do such a thing, they used their Bible to defend such actions.
I don't know how many people Christians have killed and I don't know how many people Muslims have killed. I haven't been keeping score like some people seem to be. But I do know this, Christians have killed and they have killed believing that a man of colour is inferior or even a sub-human species and that has come from their Bible.
For example Winston Churchill - a Christian: In 1937 said "I do not admit...that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia...by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place." Thus justifying one of the most brutal genocides and mass displacement of people in history.
And here we have a Christian convicted of killing 1,500 people. A U.N. tribunal has extended the sentence of a priest to life in prison after upholding his war crimes conviction for ordering militiamen to burn and bulldoze a church with 1,500 people inside during the 1994 Rwandan genocide. The tribunal said it convicted Seromba for "his role in the destruction of the church in Nyange Parish, and the consequent death of approximately 1500 Tutsi refugees sheltering inside." Seromba was convicted of leading a militia that attacked the people and poured fuel through the roof of the church, while police threw grenades inside. After failing to kill everybody inside the church, Seromba ordered it to be demolished, the tribunal found. Thousands of Rwandans have turned away from Catholicism, angered and saddened by the complicity of church officials in the genocide. Priests, nuns and followers were implicated in the killings and some churches were sites of notorious massacres.
You see this "Christians not doing it in the name of Christianity clause" doesn't wash with me any more - it is a Christian's get out clause to do whatever they want, so that Christianity washes up squeaky clean.
Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, atheists, etc, etc, etc are all killing and it is time they all stopped. This stupid blame game is totally ridiculous.
Anyway that is what I think. I know that it won't change many hard line opinions, I have seen that their minds are well and truly made up.
Thanks for dropping by Bob. Yes I know I got a bit fired up, but I am feeling some what fed up by all of this unnecessary bloodshed and the blame being pushed totally on one sector of the world.
Thanks for coming by. Don't worry I haven't been around much either, it isn't easy to get around to everyone.
I think I was lucky in the church I was brought up in there wasn't any scare tactics or guilt. I can't believe that passage was actually used to scare you - that is terrible.
If you do manage to look into the project let us know how you get on.
I really do believe just getting to know people is the only way forward, especially at a local level, which then becomes a national level. Restricting legitimate religions being practised peacefully, and threatening deportation is not a solution, but just another problem - I just wish more people could see that.
Thanks for the kind words and moral support. There are people of all faiths and denominations who abuse their respective religions and there are some who truly represent their faiths in a positive, productive way. Instead of looking at themselves and trying to measure up to the truth, they measure the truth by their own vices... Meaning that a person can rationalize and make excuses for all of their actions, however, only a person of courage can admit his or her mistakes and be objective.
To Chezz and the other kind people who have posted: It's people like you who truly make a difference. It's people like you inspire the likes of me to try to be a better person. Thanks for your kind words. The Qur'an states, "A good word is like a blessed tree, it's roots firmly established, and it's branches extend into the heavens." : )
In Islam, even those mosques who would condemn terrorist believe they are justified and excuse their behavior. It is absolutely rediculous to compare those who are using 14 year olds to attack innocent civilians continuously, and launch rocket attacks in Israel on a daily basis with those who exercise restraint in answering those attacks. (1 in a week, 2 in a month) and specifically targeting the guilty parties. You have to opt out of reason to come to your conclusions.
1. The videos you have shown are rare and are Saudi-funded Wahhabi mosques, most Muslims don't accept them as Muslims and I'm sure you know that, so please stop promoting a false image.
2. There are churches who advocate such things. There are churches who advocate violence but they are not seen in the media.
3. I can't figure out why Israel is free from criticism? The have broken more UN security council resolution than all other nations combined! I challenge you to disprove that? That in iteslf invalidates your claim of Israel's innocence. There are many Jews who consider Israel a terrorist state! Mr JudgeBob, why don't you go to Gaza and live there for 1 month? You'll soon be firing rockets as well, either that or you will starve to death. Unbelievable! What a double standard. So if China occupied the US, you would advocate for us to sit idle and not retaliate? The problem is that Palestinians don't have modern weaponry. They should have an Air Force to resist illegal occupation instead of rockets! The problem is that American and British media see the world in the scope of ignorance. Much of the rest of the world condemn Israel and can realize that they are the aggressor. However, because of media indoctrination in the US, people cannot accept that fact. Israel should go back to the '67 borders, have a free referrendum for Palestinian involvement, and I guarantee they would not be attacked. What planet do you live on?